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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Free Press May 29, 2009 | 
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				 	  | Code: | 	 		  Puzzle: FP052909
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . 6 | 2 . . | . . 7 | 
 
| . 4 5 | . . . | . 6 . | 
 
| . 9 1 | 4 . . | 5 . . | 
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . . | . . 7 | 9 . . | 
 
| 9 . . | . 8 . | . . 2 | 
 
| . . 8 | 5 . . | . . . | 
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . 3 | . . 5 | 2 4 . | 
 
| . 8 . | . . . | 6 7 . | 
 
| 5 . . | . . 9 | 8 . . | 
 
+-------+-------+-------+ | 	  
 
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		Earl
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: freepress | 
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				Wow!  I had to use an xy-chain and extend the (2) pincer.
 
 
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		arkietech
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| withdrawn -- bad thinking | 
			 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Using basics, my solver reduces the puzzle to this PM before wanting to use a 4-cell XY-Chain. Not happy with that choice, I tackled it manually. What I see is a UR Type 2 that doesn't perform any eliminations. But, there is another UR present in the same cells because of strong links on <4> in [r6].
 
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		   <46> UR Type ??? [r46c19] => [r4c1]<>6
 
 +-----------------------------------------------------+
 
 |  8    3    6    |  2    5    1    |  4    9    7    |
 
 |  2    4    5    |  9    7    8    |  13   6    13   |
 
 |  7    9    1    |  4    3    6    |  5    2    8    |
 
 |-----------------+-----------------+-----------------|
 
 |  346  5    24   |  136  12   7    |  9    8    46   |
 
 |  9    16   7    |  36   8    4    |  13   5    2    |
 
 |  346  126  8    |  5    9    23   |  7    13   46   |
 
 |-----------------+-----------------+-----------------|
 
 |  16   7    3    |  8    16   5    |  2    4    9    |
 
 |  14   8    9    |  13   124  23   |  6    7    5    |
 
 |  5    26   24   |  7    46   9    |  8    13   13   |
 
 +-----------------------------------------------------+
 
 # 31 eliminations remain
 
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This is sufficient to expose an XY-Wing and a BUG+1 to complete the puzzle. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After the hidden UR and XY-Wing, I'm here. As an alternative to the BUG, there's an XY-Wing Chain, 14-46-46-46-16.
 
 
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+-----------+-----------+----------+
 
| 8  3   6  | 2  5   1  | 4  9  7  |
 
| 2  4   5  | 9  7   8  | 13 6  13 |
 
| 7  9   1  | 4  3   6  | 5  2  8  |
 
+-----------+-----------+----------+
 
| 3  5   24 | 16 12  7  | 9  8  46 |
 
| 9  16  7  | 36 8   4  | 13 5  2  |
 
| 46 12  8  | 5  9   23 | 7  13 46 |
 
+-----------+-----------+----------+
 
| 16 7   3  | 8  16  5  | 2  4  9  |
 
| 14 8   9  | 13 124 23 | 6  7  5  |
 
| 5  26  24 | 7  46  9  | 8  13 13 |
 
+-----------+-----------+----------+
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site | 
			 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Marty R. wrote: | 	 		  As an alternative to the BUG, there's an XY-Wing Chain, 14-46-64-46-61.
 
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Why is this called an XY-Wing Chain    
 
 
I don't see any sign of an XY-Wing among groupings of three adjacent cells.
 
 
It appears to be a conventional XY-Chain with a truncated Remote Pair pattern for the middle three cells.
 
 
[Green: edited for clarity.] | 
			 
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		nataraj
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After basics,
 
 
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+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
| 8       3       6        | 2       5       1        | 4       9       7        | 
 
| 2       4       5        | 9       7       8        | 13      6       13       | 
 
| 7       9       1        | 4       3       6        | 5       2       8        | 
 
+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
| 3-46    5       24*      | 136     12#     7        | 9       8       46       | 
 
| 9       16      7        | 36      8       4        | 13      5       2        | 
 
| 3-46    126     8        | 5       9       23       | 7       13      46       | 
 
+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
| 16      7       3        | 8       16      5        | 2       4       9        | 
 
| 14*     8       9        | 13      124#    23       | 6       7       5        | 
 
| 5       26      2-4      | 7       46      9        | 8       13      13       | 
 
+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
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m-wing(4) r4c3=r8c1 [via (2) r4c5=r8c5]; r9c3,r4c1,r6c1 <> 4 | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 1:35 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | Why is this called an XY-Wing Chain | 	  
 
 
I call it that because that's what the site that I learned it from called it. 
 
 
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I don't see any sign of an XY-Wing among groupings of three adjacent cells.
 
 
It appears to be a conventional XY-Chain with a truncated Remote Pair pattern for the middle three cells.  | 	  
 
 
You're more of a theory guy than I am, but the three 46 cells work as if they were the XY cell of a conventional XY-Wing, with the 14 and 16 cells containing the pincers of 1.
 
 
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Danny, I have no idea what is being clarified here.    | 
			 
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