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		| nataraj 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Jellyfish - a rare species |   |  
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				| Usually, the Times "Super Fiendish" sudoku can be solved using just x-wings or the odd swordfish. The February 15, 2008 puzzle number 1762, however, offered the rare opportunity to either use an xy-wing (38-23-28 in col 1 and row 9) or a jellyfish (3 rows 2,4,6,8 in cols 1,4,6,9). 
 For your convenience, I post a copy of the puzzle here:
 
 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +-----------+-----------+-----------+
 |  .  .  9  |  2  .  8  |  3  .  .  |
 |  .  1  2  |  .  4  .  |  7  6  .  |
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 +-----------+-----------+-----------+
 |  .  7  .  |  .  2  .  |  .  5  .  |
 |  4  .  .  |  8  .  9  |  .  .  7  |
 |  .  2  .  |  .  1  .  |  .  8  .  |
 +-----------+-----------+-----------+
 |  .  .  .  |  .  .  .  |  .  .  .  |
 |  .  6  7  |  .  8  .  |  9  1  .  |
 |  .  .  4  |  1  .  6  |  5  .  .  |
 +-----------+-----------+-----------+
 
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		| tlanglet 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Very interesting puzzle. Even knowing it contained a jellyfish, I did not spot it immediately. In fact, I noted the complimentary swordfish first and only  after removing those eliminations did I see the jellyfish. Either eliminations actually solved the puzzle. 
 Thanks, nataraj, for a fun morning.
 
 Ted
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		| storm_norm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Code: |  	  | .---------------------.---------------------.---------------------. | 67     5      9     | 2      67     8     | 3      4      1     |
 | 38     1      2     | 9      4      35    | 7      6      58    |
 | 3678   4      368   | 3567   3567   1     | 28     9      258   |
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 | 1689   7      168   | 346    2      34    | 146    5      39    |
 | 4      3      156   | 8      56     9     | 16     2      7     |
 | 569    2      56    | 34567  1      3457  | 46     8      39    |
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 | 1235   89     135   | 3457   3579   23457 | 28     37     6     |
 | 235    6      7     | 35     8      235   | 9      1      4     |
 | 23     89     4     | 1      379    6     | 5      37     28    |
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 nataraj, are you aware that the font inside your parenthesis is white?  at least from my point of view.  I actually didn't see it in a previous posting until I got really close to the monitor.
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		| nataraj 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | storm_norm wrote: |  	  | 
 nataraj, are you aware that the font inside your parenthesis is white?  at least from my point of view.  I actually didn't see it in a previous posting until I got really close to the monitor.
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 Yes, Norm. That is to avoid spoiling the fun for those who read the post but don't want to see the full solution right away. I did not find "invisible" color but white serves just fine.
 
 And there is a better method to make the text visible: just highlight the text with the mouse - it will then stand out white on blue background. Definitely easier on the eyes ...
 
 Glad you liked the puzzle
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		| storm_norm 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Quote: |  	  | That is to avoid spoiling the fun | 
 
 of course !!
 
 and yes, very nice fishy in there  the 3's make up the jelly fish, and the swordfish mentioned.
 
 can we expect more "unspoiled" solutions from you?
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		| keith 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| How about this? 
 After basics:
  	  | Code: |  	  | +-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+ | 67    5     9     | 2     67    8     | 3     4     1     |
 | 38a  1     2     | 9     4     35    | 7     6     5-8   |
 | 367-8 4     36-8  | 3567  3567  1     | 28e   9     258   |
 +-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
 | 1689  7     168   | 346   2     34    | 146   5     39    |
 | 4     3     156   | 8     56    9     | 16    2     7     |
 | 569   2     56    | 34567 1     3457  | 46    8     39    |
 +-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
 | 1235  89    135   | 3457  3579  23457 | 28d   37    6     |
 | 235   6     7     | 35    8     235   | 9     1     4     |
 | 23b   89    4     | 1     379   6     | 5     37    28c   |
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 The XY-wing abc can be extended to de.  Any cell that sees both a and e cannot be <8>.
 
 This is not essential to solve the puzzle, but these multiple eliminations of <8> make the end game much easier.
 
 Keith
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