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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: June 14 BB sh | 
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				More than your usual walk in the park: 	  | Code: | 	 		  Puzzle: BB061410sh
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . . | 6 . 4 | . . 5 | 
 
| . . . | 8 . . | . 3 9 | 
 
| . . . | . 3 . | 2 . 4 | 
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . 7 | 9 4 . | 5 . . | 
 
| . 8 . | . . . | . 9 . | 
 
| . . 9 | . 5 7 | 6 . . | 
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| 7 . 5 | . 9 . | . . . | 
 
| 3 4 . | . . 6 | . . . | 
 
| 9 . . | 3 . 5 | . . . | 
 
+-------+-------+-------+ | 	  Keith | 
			 
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Certainly not a usual walk for me.......
 
 
1.XY chain on 2s (2=4)r5c3-(4=6)r2c3-(6=4)r2c1-(4=1)r6c6-(1=2)r6c4; r5c4<>2
 
 
2. ALS XZ: At r5c7      X={4,7} At r1467c8 Z={1,2,4,7,8} 
 
Restricted common is 4, Common is 7     so r2c7<>7 
 
 
3. Colouring on 2s exposes a contradiction and r4c2, r5c9, r6c9 and r9c8 <>2 | 
			 
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		ronk
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Mogulmeister wrote: | 	 		  2. ALS XZ: At r5c7      X={4,7} At r1467c8 Z={1,2,4,7,8} 
 
Restricted common is 4, Common is 7     so r2c7<>7 | 	  
 
By convention, the restricted common is 'X' and the common is 'Z' ... and the ALSs are usually sets 'A' and 'B'. See http://www.sudopedia.org/wiki/ALS-XZ. | 
			 
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Perfect.  I named the sets X and Z and gave no algebraic representation to the common elements because I had already explicitly named them.  I shall adopt the convention. | 
			 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Interesting.  Most of us pencil and paper solvers have long given up looking for swordfishes ...
 
 
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Interesting.
 
Who mentioned swordfish ? 
 
The correct plural surely.?    | 
			 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After basics, and an XY-wing -124: 	  | Code: | 	 		  +----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
| 2    9    3    | 6    17   4    | 8    17   5    | 
 
| 46   5    46   | 8    127  12   | 17   3    9    | 
 
| 8    7    1    | 5    3    9    | 2    6    4    | 
 
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| 16   26   7    | 9    4    8    | 5    12   3    | 
 
| 5    8    24   | 1    6    3    | 47   9    27   | 
 
| 14   3    9    | 2    5    7    | 6    148  18   | 
 
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| 7    126  5    | 4    9    12   | 3    128  1268 | 
 
| 3    4    28   | 7    128  6    | 9    5    12   | 
 
| 9    126  268  | 3    128  5    | 147  1247 1267 | 
 
+----------------+----------------+----------------+ | 	  Look for the swordfish.
 
 
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I see what you mean. 
 
 
In my version, I discounted the swordfish on 1s because it didn't have as great an effect as the ALS (which I am more partial to*) and would have meant another step (to solve the puzzle).
 
 
You still need more moves of course after the swordfish. Can a jellyfish be found ?
 
 
[Ed * In terms of fun!]
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Yes it can!! (I think)
 
Start with your same first move Keith then instead of sword, LOOK FOR JELLY!!!
 
 
R1468C1589 -  of course, once the excitement dies down we still only make the same eliminations as the swordfish but hey !? | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I used five moves, probably not all necessary.
 
 
XY-Wing (142)
 
Kite (1) + extension
 
Type 6 UR (28)
 
XY-Wing (128)
 
Kite (2) | 
			 
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