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		smith55js
 
 
  Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Logan, UT
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Dec 1, 2005 - Very Hard | 
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				1.5i2  2.6d3  3.6b6  4.6f4  5.6h9  6.7g6 
 
7.8i1  8.8f5  9.8c9   10.1g1  11.4h4  12.4g3
 
13.2f1  14.2h2  15.4b9
 
 
16.1b2 {3,9} in b1,a3
 
17.1a9 {3,9} in b8,c7
 
 
18.1e8  19.9d9  20.5g9  21.3f9  22.4f6  23.4e2
 
24.7c2  25.4c1  26.3d2  27.7d1  28.7e4
 
29.2a7 {3,9} in row 7
 
 
30.7a8  31.5f8  32.7f7
 
33.2g8 {3,9} in h8,i7
 
 
34.9g5  35.3e5  36.9e6  37.1c5  38.9c4  39.5a4
 
40.3a6  41.9a3  42.3b1  43.9h1  44.3i3  45.2d5
 
46.1d4  47.5d6  48.2i4  49.1i6  50.3c7  51.9b8
 
52.9i7  53.3h8
 
 
634 752 198
 
817 349 625
 
925 681 473
 
 
589 176 342
 
471 238 956
 
362 594 781
 
 
253 467 819
 
796 815 234
 
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		zaks
 
 
  Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 13
 
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Dec 1, 2005 - Very Hard | 
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				This is my version:
 
we begin with evident moves:
 
01  6h1 02 6d7 03 6b4 04 6f6 
 
05 7g4 06 8c1  07 8f5  08 8i9   (so much so good...)
 
 
now remove 2 as candidate from cells c8,c8; this creates pair c7,c8=> 3,7 
 
09 4e8 10 2f9  11 4g7 (hidden single in row 7)
 
12 4f4  (hidden single in column f)  13 4b1 (hidden single in box 7)
 
14 4c9  (hidden single in box 1)  15 7c8  (hidden single in box 1)
 
16 3d7 17 7d8 18 1b8 19 2h8 20 5i8
 
21 1g9 22 4h6 23 7e6 24 1a1 25 9g5
 
26 1i4  27  2i6  28 5g1 29 2g2 30 3f1
 
31 9d1 32 1e2 33 7f3  34 5f2  35 5d4
 
36 1d6 37 2d5 38 3e5 39 9e4 40 1c5
 
41 9c6 42 5a6 43 3a4 44 9a7 45 3b9
 
46 9h9 47 3i7  48 9i3  49 3h2 50 3c3
 
51 2a3 52 7a2 53 9b2 x!
 
 
or i missed smth or this sdk isn't "very hard",
 
 
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		smith55js
 
 
  Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Logan, UT
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| No, I really don't feel this one should have been labeled "Very Hard".  It might be Hard, or maybe even Medium.  There were only four moves that required any actual thought processes aside from looking up and down rows and columns or in groups for numbers that stood alone.   Are these puzzles being classified by difficulty by a computer or by someone actually doing the puzzles? | 
			 
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		David Bryant
 
 
  Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 559 Location: Denver, Colorado
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: The puzzles are computer graded. | 
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				 	  | Smith55js wrote: | 	 		  | Are these puzzles being classified by difficulty by a computer or by someone actually doing the puzzles? | 	  
 
Samgj, the author of these puzzles, uses a computer program to set the ratings.
 
 
The rating system has recently been discussed in this forum -- you can read that discussion right here.  dcb | 
			 
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		smith55js
 
 
  Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Logan, UT
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: change in algorithm needed | 
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				Ok, so the difficulty is graded by a computer algorithm.  It's apparent now that a change should be made.  After doing different puzzles, some that are 'Very Hard' are in fact, Medium or Hard.  Some 'Hard' puzzles should be 'Very Hard', etc...
 
 
From what I've gleened from the posts about the difficulty of the puzzles and how they are graded, the rating is based on the number of 'difficult' steps required.  
 
 
Can I make a suggestion?  Change it to count not the number of 'difficult' steps, but rather the number of types of 'difficult' steps.  If one 'Very Hard' puzzle, like today's, contains 4 or 5 choke points, but they are all the same type of problem, then wouldn't that decrease the difficulty of the puzzle?  If I solve a problem once, I should be able to easily recognize the same problem when I encounter it again.  But if I encounter a totally new type of problem, I have to think even harder to figure it out.  I can't resort to the logic I applied earlier as it won't apply.  Thus, making the puzzle more difficult. | 
			 
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		alanr555
 
 
  Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 198 Location: Bideford Devon EX39
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject:  | 
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Again this is a "V.Hard" that turns out to be easier for solution
 
using Mandatory Pairs than most "Hards" - without the "V."
 
 
With M/P there is no "crunch point". It is just a question of
 
carrying on to identify pairs - interspersed with the counting
 
of rows/columns/regions and attention to extra "rules" (or
 
techniques) that apply only to Mandatory Pairs.
 
 
The solution took (just) under half an hour - largely because I fell
 
asleep after ten minutes and had to resume on awakening about
 
half an hour later. This is a not uncommon occurrence for one
 
diagnosed with idiopathic hypersomnulence!
 
 
Again, this is a good example with which to start for someone
 
wishing to explore the Mandatory Pairs methodology.
 
 
Alan Rayner  BS23 2QT
 
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		PoppaPoppa
 
 
  Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 21 Location: Arkansas USA
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject: Not very hard | 
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				I agree with Alan Rayner- I used the mandatory pairs technique and finished it in a little over 30 minutes.  This puzzle gave me less pause than some "mediums" I have pulled my hair out over!
 
 
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